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English rule in Wales[edit]

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This article is basically a POV content fork (one of a number of POV content forks originally created by the same editor) that has been discussed at some length on the Talk page. Wales was conquered by Edward I of England in the 1280s and became formally annexed to England in the 1500s. This coincides exactly with the period described in the pre-existing article, Wales in the Late Middle Ages. Of the content of English rule in Wales, with the exception of two small paragraphs about Penal laws and Henry VII of England‘s relationship to Wales, the content is not about English rule in Wales (i.e. the making of Wales, the Normans, Conquest of Wales, Welsh rebellions) and these sections repeat (usually originating by direct copies of the substantial amounts of text in) other articles. Wales in the Late Middle Ages is a far more appropriate place for any content about the administration of Wales during that period (it already has lots of information about the castles used for administration and control) and I’d suggest English rule in Wales is, at best, redirected there. Subjects such as the ‘Penal laws’ can easily be mentioned. Sionk (talk) 19:10, 14 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. Sionk (talk) 19:10, 14 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:19, 14 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Redirect to Wales in the Late Middle Ages or delete, per nom, covers same period and allows for generalisation rather than through a particular POV. Some content overlaps with Welsh rebellions against English rule so some content may be merged there if needed, but this title should be redirected to Wales in the Late Middle Ages. Dank Jae 19:41, 14 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete – Per Sionk, this is a classic WP:POVFORK. Original text was made by copy pasting from other articles, and…

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 * Delete or redirect to [[Wales in the Late Middle Ages]]. This article opens “English rule in Wales is the period in the history of Wales from the conquest of Wales by Edward I to the Laws in Wales Acts of Henry VIII”, while Wales in the Late Middle Ages opens with “Wales in the Late Middle Ages spanned the years 1282-1542, beginning with conquest and ending in union”, so this article appears to duplicate identically the existing topic (which only has 11kB of prose so it’s not like any splits are needed). Prefer delete to redirect if as mentioned the text is all copied from elsewhere, as I’m not sure the title would naturally lead to this particular period of history. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:34, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 *”’Redirect”’ to [[Welsh rebellions against English rule]] or another appropriate article that is not a [[WP:FORK|fork]]. Some Welsh, like Grandma Logan, loved the English, their language, and Anglicanism, without sacrificing her own language and culture. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 15:05, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
+::Grandma Logan may be on to something there. “English rule in Wales” is a plausible search term for [[Welsh rebellions against English rule]]. More plausible than for [[Wales in the Late Middle Ages]] even. [[User:Sionk|Sionk]] ([[User talk:Sionk|talk]]) 15:59, 19 April 2023 (UTC)